Guests: Dr. Clay Zimmerman, Scott Sorrell Since 2020, the Real Science Exchange has provided in-depth conversations throughout a variety of webinar series. Joining around the pub to recap and reflect on the amazing guests and great conversations from 2022 are Dr. Clay Zimmerman and Scott Sorrell where they reflect on each of their top three favorite episodes of 2022.
Since 2020, the Real Science Exchange has provided in-depth conversations throughout a variety of webinar series. Joining around the pub to recap and reflect on the amazing guests and great conversations from 2022 are Dr. Clay Zimmerman and Scott Sorrell where they reflect on each of their top three favorite episodes of 2022.
The pubcast has a growing audience of over 56,000 views and listeners in all 50 states. In 2022, the podcast created 24 events featuring top dairy science topics through the lens of widely known dairy researchers.
Dr. Zimmerman’s third favorite episode was Episode 44 that aired on May 24, 2022. The May Journal Club featured guests Dr. Bill Weiss, Dr. Chanhee Lee and Haley Zynda. 4:00
The episode highlighted different topics, including the impact of reducing DCAD in lactating cows and the multiplication of these diets in different environmental elements and nutrient digestibility. 5:10
Scott Sorrell said his third favorite was Episode 53, which aired on September 27, 2022. The episode featured the Kooler Kids program with guests including Stephanie Walsh, Melissa Malcolm-Cullison and Mark Inkrott. 8:29
He mentioned the episode features Dairy Farmers of America and Cooler Management and the significant work they are doing in bringing dairy products to the less fortunate. 9:01
Episode 53: https://balchem.com/animal-nutrition-health/resources/real-science-exchange-kooler-kids/
In partnership with last year’s Tri-State Dairy Nutrition Conference, Dr. Zimmerman said his second favorite episode from 2022 was Episode 43 that aired on May 10, 2022 and included Dr. Jack Britt, Dr. Jimena LaPorta, Dr. Eric Ciappio, Dr. Pete Hansen and Dr. Clay Zimmerman as guests. 17:41
Dr. Zimmerman mentioned this episode featured the mini-symposium, highlighting utero influences on transgenerational challenges and performance in dairy cattle. 18:31
Ranking second for Scott Sorrell was Episode 38. This episode is one of the Legacy Series, where we celebrate industry pioneers and their impact on the industry. Specifically, this Legacy Series episode honored Dr. Peter J. Van Soest and his impact in the animal nutrition world. The episode aired on March 1, 2022 and featured guests Dr. Mary Beth Hall, Dr. Mike Van Amburgh and Dr. David Mertens. 25:30
Episode 38: https://balchem.com/animal-nutrition-health/resources/legacy-series-dr-peter-j-van-soest/
Dr. Zimmerman said his top episode pick for the year was Episode 48. The episode aired on July 19, 2022 and featured guests Dr. Turner Schwarz and Dr. Joe McFadden. 35:17
He said the episode was recorded at the American Dairy Science Association’s Annual Meeting (ADSA) and featured graduate and research students. Additionally, he added his favorite part of the episode was experiencing the talented future industry leaders. 37:15
Scott Sorrell said his top pick was Episode 56 that was recorded at the World Dairy Expo and aired on November 8, 2022. The episode featured the Bateman family from Utah and highlighted their virtual farm tour presentation. Joining in for Episode 56 and its discussion was guests Brad Bateman, Jason Bateman, Steve Bateman and Laun Hall. 38:21
He added that not only was Wayne Bateman a patriarch of the family and industry, but overall the family represents strong dairy values and a love of their livestock and land. Beyond the podcast being extra special, Scott also mentioned the process of videotaping their family farm was just as memorable. 39:40
Watch the Virtual Farm Tour: https://youtu.be/ccs9gVbUiOg
Episode 56: https://balchem.com/animal-nutrition-health/resources/virtual-farm-tour-batemans-mosida-farms/
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Scott Sorrell (00:07):
Good evening everyone, and welcome to the Real Science Exchange, the podcast we're leading scientists and industry professionals meet over few drinks to discuss the latest ideas and trends in animal agriculture. The real science exchange began in the fall of 2020 and allowed us to have a deeper and more intimate conversations with our guests from the Real Science Lecture series of webinars. With the podcast, we try to recreate the atmosphere and discussions that take place in the pub after a scientific conference. That's when the most inspired and lively conversations take place than where the most difficult scientific problems are solved, at least temporarily. Hi, I'm Scott Crell, one of your host here at The Real Science Exchange. As we welcome a new year, we wanna look back and reflect on our amazing guests and great conversations we had during 2022. But before we dry drop in, I'd like to thank all of our loyal listeners. We've been so blessed with a growing audience. We have listeners in all 50 US states and in 48 countries around the world. We've had over 56,000 downloads and continue to gain listeners every episode. I personally want to thank each and every one of our loyal listeners and our amazing guests, and we're excited to see what 2022 brings tonight. The pub is a little slow, and it's just gonna be Klan Eye around the table tonight. So welcome Dr. Zimmerman. Good to see you.
Dr. Clay Zimmerman (01:32):
Good to see you for one final time here in 2022 in, in the pub.
Scott Sorrell (01:37):
Yeah, absolutely. So speaking of the pub, what, what's in your glass tonight? Any New Year's resolutions to expand your your drink repertoire?
Dr. Clay Zimmerman (01:47):
So, I've changed it up a little bit in honor of the season and, and my late father as well. So I have some eggnog in my glass tonight. Good deal. My fa my father really enjoyed this around the holidays and he didn't drink a lot, but he would dog it up around the, around the holidays.
Scott Sorrell (02:07):
That's good. Now, we were talking before, was it, was he hiding his what was he putting in there? First of all? Was it like bourbon or what? It
Dr. Clay Zimmerman (02:16):
Was a bottle of something. Yeah, it was hidden in the cellar stairway, yeah. Away from
Scott Sorrell (02:21):
The hiding it from, from from the kids home. Okay. Alright. Really well,
Dr. Clay Zimmerman (02:25):
Scott Sorrell (02:29):
So, so I, too, a little bit different. Miss Mary made me a, a hot mold cider, and I spiced it up a little bit with a local bourbon called Hudson Whiskey. So that's distilled in, it's called Bright Lights Big Bourbon, and that's made in the Hudson Valley of New York. So that's what I'm having tonight. It's very, very tasty. So, cheers, clay to, to an amazing 2022 cheer. Yes. Cheer. It's been a great year. Cheer. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
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Scott Sorrell (03:22):
So tonight's format is going to be a little bit different. Most annual countdowns people countdown their top 10. But what we're gonna do tonight clay has selected his top three, and, and I've cl selected my top three. And so we're gonna go through those in, in reverse order to see a complete list of all the episodes, though, I'd encourage you to visit biochem.com/podcast and subscribe to your favorite podcast platform while you there as well. Clay, I'm gonna ask you to start us off with your third place podcast. What was your third favorite?
Dr. Clay Zimmerman (04:00):
Yeah, so, you know, obviously lots of great episodes to, to choose from this year. So so my number three was a journal club episode. It was the it was episode 44th. It aired on May 24th, 2022. And it was it was actually one that we recorded live and in person at the at the Tri-State Dairy Nutrition Conference. Of course, we, we had Bill Weiss and Haley Zen Zda, one of one of Chand Lee's former graduate students. So I, I really en enjoyed that one quite a bit. I think it's the first journal club that we had had actually recorded face-to-face which certainly gave a, a different element to that. I also enjoyed it because it, it tied together a few different topics of interest to me, and I, I think a lot of our listeners, it we discussed the impacts of, of dietary deca actually in lactating cows. So they, they looked at mani manipulating the deca level of diets and effects on ammonia emissions. So tying in that, you know, that environmental element to it and nutrient management. So that, that was a very enjoyable episode for me.
Scott Sorrell (05:29):
Yeah, that was one of my favorite as well. Klan, I gotta tell you that all three of yours just happened to be in-person episodes that way that we recorded, and I'm kind of wondering how much that had to do with it. But yeah. So let's listen to a, a quick clip from, from that episode. Why don't we start with you Bill?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Well, like I started environmental issues are only gonna increase in the past, you know, for ammonia reducing ammonia, the goal we always just said feed less protein and, which is good, but there's some disadvantage to that too. So these ideas of whether they work perfectly or not, again, it just gives us a bigger toolbox of ways to reduce ammonia. So I think in the future, things like this may become even more important. So,
Speaker 5 (06:15):
So what, what one thing that I wanna add to the bill's point reducing protein labor in the dial always work to reduce ammonia emission, but that also decreased the manure value as well. Mm-Hmm.
Scott Sorrell (07:27):
Clay,
Dr. Clay Zimmerman (07:28):
I think, you know, I think this is really important right now. Taking, looking at the, the cost of fertilizer right now, the cost of, of nitrogen fertilizer is extremely high. So if we can retain more of that nitrogen in the field, that's, that's a huge benefit now. Sure.
Scott Sorrell (07:49):
Mm-Hmm.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Comments. Sure thing. So a lot of what I'm thinking has already been said, so I won't necessarily echo it. But I think a natural next step in research would be a, a field trial and trying to grow some of these crops, maybe not necessarily with a chloride supplemented diet, but especially those that are using sulfur to, to decrease that deca especially for some of those soils that are sulfur deficient. Now that I'm working in extension, I'm looking a lot at the whole farm model. I'm helping a lot with agronomic areas that I wasn't doing necessarily before. And so just trying to get that whole umbrella approach, just to see, you know, how it comes full circle, would really be important.
Scott Sorrell (08:29):
So Clay, my favorite third episode of 2022, featured the Cooler Kids Program. Alchem launched the Cooler Kids Program in 2020 to work with local community food banks and other ag organizations to provide dairy products and refrigerated food to local food banks across the country. Along the way, we built relationships with like-minded companies like Dairy farmers of America, and Cooler Management Inc. In this episode we invited representatives from alchem, D F A and Cooler Management to talk about the work that the ag community is doing to bring wholesome dairy products to the less fortune and among us. For those of you keeping score at home, this was episode number 53, which aired on September 27th, 2022. And y you know, I want you to take particular attention as you listen to this episode. The, the folks involved in this program very passionate about it and really care about our community. So it included representatives, again, from D F A we had Stephanie Walsh from Cooler Management. We had Melissa Malcolm Culleson, and mark Inro enjoy this little snippet from episode 53. Stephanie, why don't I start with you?
Speaker 7 (09:49):
Well, Scott, thanks for teeing that up. So like you mentioned before so just like the communities that we're working to support, we're also building this community of folks who support it. So I never thought in a million years, in 2020 that looking two years down the road, that I would have such a supportive network. I think that people on this call, we can solve any problem that's thrown to us. And so I really encourage you all to join us. D F A will continue doing this work. Just wanted to mention that, you know, actual dairy product donations are occurring every day from all of d a's brands. Since the start of the pandemic, we've donated 34.6 million servings of dairy equivalent since the start of the pandemic, which is just incredible. And we're just one dairy company. So we're just really excited to continue doing this work down the future. We know that recovering from this pandemic is not a flip of the light switch, and that our communities will be recovering and hopefully finding a better way to support those communities as we move forward. So, Scott, thank you so much for having me. And it was, it was really a pleasure.
Scott Sorrell (11:09):
Well, thank you, Stephanie. You've been a great guest. Look forward to meeting you in person someday. Charlie, why don't we go with you next.
Speaker 8 (11:16):
So I think what, what we've learned, Scott, as we've worked through this, is there's value in this as an activity with food awareness, food safety, I mean, and, and security. But really from a corporate standpoint or from a company standpoint, it's about the relationships we build with our customers doing something together. And it's a very interesting opportunity with the next generation of employees who are looking for that, with the companies that they're going to select that they work with. So there's a lot of intrinsic value in that. The other thing is, we started a program where we do a matching for p folks that work in our plants or our own employees anywhere, but they didn't know what that money would go toward, you know, other than what they first donated. So now when you kind of create this and you also give 'em the opportunity to go work in the pantries and put some hours in, it gets a lot more traction and a lot more energy around it. And it builds a really nice community, whether it's the working group in an area or the, in the manufacturing plant, or even the home office. And so those are some of the things that I don't think we had. You know, we, Jonathan threw it to us and said, how do we handle this milk being dumped and do something positive for the industry? And it's evolving to something totally different, and that is really cool.
Scott Sorrell (12:45):
Hmm. Well said, Charlie. Melissa, mark, who wants to go next? Melissa, you wanna go?
Speaker 9 (12:53):
No, they always wanna talk. Scott. I mean, like, and Mark, poor Mark is, knows that
Speaker 9 (13:41):
It is always making sure that we are thinking about what the food banks need. What, what do our CPGs need, what do our retailers need, what do our partners need? And having an answer for that. And so you know, early this year we launched something called the Park Market, which is a mobile refrigerated pan food pantry. And that is really something that we've been focusing on because in, in the hunger world, you know, not only do we wanna give people a box of food, we wanna give them a box of food that they can choose, right? That their families, they want to eat that meets their dietary restrictions that they get to choose. And there's a lot of dignity that comes with that. And I think that's a part of the program and the work that we do is a lot of the coolers that we place are also Glassdoor refrigerated units, and people get to open those doors and they get to choose what's for their family.
Speaker 9 (14:37):
And I think keeping food dignity top of mind is very important to us, and innovation is very important to us. And just constantly listening to our network of what their needs are. And the last thing I, I would say that, that we focus on, and, and this is probably a little bit different that you would thank to hear from somebody like Cooler Management, but it is using all the dollars for the grants that are on the table from U S D A or local, you know, local grants at the government level or state level to make sure that not a dollar that gets wasted. And it goes to, you know, getting each of our families out there food to eat every night. So, you know, there's a, there's billions of dollars of grants out there, but if, if food banks and food pantries don't know about it, then it's going to waste. And we don't want that to happen. And so, whether it's going to refrigeration or not, we're here to help our, you know, connect some of those dots and be a bigger player for overall nutritious foods for everyone. You know, that's just one of our focuses at Kohl management. So again, thank you, Scott. Thank you Charlie, for letting us be on here. It's such a pleasure to be your partner, and this was so much fun today. So yeah.
Scott Sorrell (15:47):
Thank, thank you, Melissa. Thank, thank you for everything you do. Mark, we're gonna give you the final word.
Speaker 10 (15:53):
Yeah, well, you know, that's why I hired Melissa cuz she says it all so well.
Speaker 9 (16:00):
All heard that. I just wanna say you all heard that
Speaker 10 (16:02):
Scott Sorrell (17:34):
All right, clay, why don't you tell us about your second pick?
Dr. Clay Zimmerman (17:39):
Yeah, Scott, so as you mentioned earlier, there's a theme to my picks. So my second favorite episode was episode 43. It was it was dropped on May 10th of this year. And it was the it was the podcast that that we did right after a a mini symposium that we did at the Tri-State Dairy Nutrition Conference. The mini symposium was was titled Exploring in Ute, influences on Transgenerational Performance. We had we had four guest speakers on that program Dr. Jack Brit, Dr. Jimeno Lata Dr. Eric capo and Dr. Pete Hansen. And that was a that was a really a really fascinating mini symposium. And and we actually recorded this with a, with a live audience there, and they they actually asked some of the questions to the panel, which was a, a, a unique aspect to the real science exchange.
Scott Sorrell (18:55):
Yeah, I agree, clay. That was one of my favorites as well. And I think the thing I liked most about it was that live audience that you mentioned. That was a, a nice touch. Look forward to maybe doing that again sometime. Let's listen to a quick clip of that episode, and why don't we start with you, Peter.
Speaker 11 (19:10):
Well, I mean, I think what they can use is really what Amina's gonna talk about. I mean, Hamina probably has the best example of the importance of developmental programming for, for dairy cattle production. You know, don't heat stress. We always ignore the dry cow, put her out in the middle of nowhere. That's dumb
Speaker 12 (20:43):
I, I learned probably more than anybody, I think since this is my first exposure to the, to the dairy nutrition world. But I think what I, what I've got a greater appreciation for now is just how impactful the role of early life nutrition really is. And that's a, that's not a human specific phenomena. That's something that is, I think, just, just conserved across all mammals. And, and I think we're really only scratching the surface with this too. I mean, we all talked, you know, in some way, shape, or form about methylation, but that's only one avenue that epigenetics plays a role. I mean even our own work with choline shows that cooling deficiency can lead to ent microRNA expression. That's something that is, is just, I mean, still super new. I mean, micro NAS are only discovered in what, less than 20 years ago.
Speaker 12 (21:31):
So, I mean, the, imagine where we're going to be in 20 years and what the, how we'll be able to describe this relationship between nutrition and epigenetics. So I would say, I mean, if I was to, to give some really 10 million foot high advice to a dairy farmer, I would say that paying attention to adequate nutrition, be it, you know, for humans that are working working in your operation or for the dairy cattle that are there is incredibly important. And I think that preconception gestation time is probably the most impactful time to pay attention to nutrition at any point in the lifespan. Mm-Hmm.
Scott Sorrell (22:09):
Dr. Clay Zimmerman (22:13):
So the take homes for mine we, we've known for years now certainly two buckets of benefits to supplementing reassured transition cows, increased milk and milk component yield and liver health and overall health outcomes. But the the third benefit we're finding now is, is impacts on that developing calf that's happening the, the last three weeks of gestation. So those are the take homes from mine. As far as, as far as what I learned today I, as far as Pete's presentation, we, we do need to figure out how we can properly supplement these methyl donors during, during the, the time of fertilization and conception. Mm-Hmm.
Scott Sorrell (23:05):
Speaker 13 (23:10):
I learn a lot too. I, I learn a lot about the large offering syndrome, which I think it's fascinating to think that methylation can cause that. And, and I think that's really a fascinating topic. I did learn a lot about colon just other than being a methyl donor, all the things that it can do. So there's, there's a lot there as far as boots on the ground for my research. I think Pete summarized it very well. So thank you for that
Speaker 13 (24:04):
And it will take years, you know, we're in, in the midst of understanding how, how they work, but sometimes when we say programming or manipulating, people get a little upset. But I, I think those are the things that are gonna come in the future. We know the genes, now we know how to now we need to learn more how to manipulate them to our benefit and to get positive responses. So managing that dry cow, not just we, we show that cooling can revert all these phenotypes that I showed, but also nutrition or a combination of both, which maybe it's not one thing or the other. Maybe it's the two of them. And so, yeah, just looking at your dry cows and those three generations that you are impacting. So next time you think about a dry cow, think about three generations. And hopefully you don't forget about that. Yeah.
Scott Sorrell (24:56):
Thank you for that. Pretty much,
Speaker 14 (25:00):
I would say in 20 years, we will have a net merit for epigenetics. Just like we have a net merit for genetics, for our, all of our breeds of cattle and other species. And, and I also learned how important a simple compound like a methyl group can have a huge influence on the biology and animal. I think that's an important that we look at all, all the big things, but we also need to look at the little things. Methyl groups are extremely important.
Scott Sorrell (25:30):
And my number two pick is a legacy series. We, we started the legacy series of podcasts to celebrate the pioneers of the industry, to take a look back at the research, their impact and our lives. One of my favorite episodes from 2022 was the Legacy Series podcast, honoring and memorializing Dr. Peter j Van Dr. Van passed away in March of 2021, but his legacy will forever be felt in the animal nutrition world. He was a true character and a unique personality.
Dr. Clay Zimmerman (26:01):
Scott, that was really a fun one to record certainly reminiscing about you know, a true pioneer of the of the dairy nutrition industry.
Scott Sorrell (26:12):
Yeah, absolutely. I really enjoyed some of the, the stories that, that our guests had to share about Dr. Van Su. And telling those stories was Dr. Mary Beth Hall from the U S D A, Dr. Mike Van Amberg from Cornell University, and David Merton's from Merton's Innovation and Research. Let's take a quick listen to a clip from that episode. And why don't we start with Mary Beth, you're up and I upper right corner or upper left corner.
Speaker 15 (26:44):
I think his legacy that, I mean, for, for grad students, for, for going forward, kind of goes back to, to not resting on laurels. I mean, the last paper that we worked on his one on Clason Lignan versus as detergent, there was a glimmer there that maybe ndf digestibility is an apparent analysis. And it was an intriguing discussion with him. And, and so part of his legacy would be, here, this is the best we've got. It may be the best we'll ever have, but keep looking for options that might help us get better and, and have them well grounded in good science, good chemistry, good analysis and such. Your second, your second question to me,
Speaker 16 (27:32):
What to say to new grad student? What to say to a new grad new grad student?
Speaker 15 (27:36):
What to say to a new grad student? Yeah.
Scott Sorrell (27:39):
What would he wanna say? Just with their, just starting out their career, what advice would he give him?
Speaker 15 (27:44):
I think it would, might go back to something that Dave was talking about earlier. It, it's, it's diving in and finding questions that haven't been well-addressed, or even if maybe we think they have been, and, and see where you go. But, but again, think about it. Make sure it makes sense and see what you pursue.
Scott Sorrell (28:08):
Thank you for that, Dave.
Speaker 16 (28:10):
Well, I, I think his, his legacy is certainly going to be all of the concepts that he has gotten us to think about in addition to the chemistry that he's taught us since been useful. And I think sometimes I dwell a little bit on the chemistry, cuz to me it's so fascinating because it was so different. But he, he was a person who thought in terms of concepts of ideas. And that's the reason why I would encourage the people to read his book, to read his papers, because it's the ideas that's probably gonna push us forward and going to be his real legacy. And he would, he would want us to do that. He would want us to, to build. The other thing I think is that we need to think a little bit more in terms of translational research, how to take ideas from a different branch and apply it to our branch.
Speaker 16 (29:13):
I mean, what made Pete so special was the fact that he knew chemistry and biochemistry and physical chemistry. He also understood nutrition, and he made those two things come together. And I don't think we do enough of that. We're, I, I, I tell the story that I, we're getting so specialized, we know more and more about less and less until we're gonna know everything about nothing. And Pete would've been exact opposite of that. Okay. That's, that's not the way his brain worked. In terms of what he would tell a new grad student Pete was not one to give advice, but what he taught me by doing, I think was a couple of things. He wanted you to think deeply. He wanted you to read widely. Okay. and I think those were the things that he taught me without telling me that probably are things that he would want to stress to a new grad student.
Speaker 16 (30:25):
Peter Peter was interesting in that he loved to take an idea and trace it backward as well as taking forward. He, he, he would take a and fight and out where this idea started, and he taught me to do that. And I've always found that fascinating because what was amazing to me is I could find somebody in 1892 that came up with an idea that we're working on today, and 90% of what they thought at the time was still right. Today is like, and so I think Peter would, would say, you know, delve into a topic deeply, do a lot of reading, and, and do a lot of th you know, think independently, look at the data, draw your own conclusions. That would probably be the way Peter would would
Scott Sorrell (31:14):
Say it. Yeah. Thank you. Clay, any final words from you?
Dr. Clay Zimmerman (31:18):
Yes, I've, I, I found this this very fascinating and I really, I wanna thank Dave and Mary Beth for the Im Memorium that that came out in the Journal of Dairy Science, that that was very well done. So thank you.
Speaker 16 (31:33):
Thank you for the opportunity of doing this.
Scott Sorrell (31:36):
Yeah, you're very welcome. This has been fun. Mike, any final words?
Speaker 17 (31:40):
Yeah, I'll just summarize it by saying, I, I think his legacy is, is teaching us his legacy is, is the thought process, how to think, right? And everybody said that already, but really and I think that's one of the hardest parts about his legacy, Scott, since you asked that question, nobody reads the same way today, at least the current gen back to the students, right? I'm gonna try to integrate my answers here in the time, boy, our, our current, you know, I make my students read I make my students take P chem, right, David, and, and the, the, my concern is for his legacy, and it's what Dave, it's what everybody laid out here. Peter had a tremendous thought process and it wasn't whether you were right or wrong and says, what did you learn in the process of thinking through all of that?
Speaker 17 (32:29):
And what could you find for evidence, right? And if you found the evidence, it wouldn't matter if that person said No way that's ever gonna happen. Cuz if you could think your way through it and say, no, here's how I find the evidence and I can show you this, then by golly, that's, we're now we're learning and now we're, we're making change. And I think when it comes to the students, he would encourage them to do the same thing. The problem is, is that it's really hard to teach that in the Google generation
Speaker 17 (33:22):
And Pete read the darn paper from 1806 and said, this is probably what I need to replicate, but I need to do it chemically. Right? I can't, we can't do this mechanically, right? And so, so yeah. So it's learning how to think and for the students, the other thing I'll say, and, and from a student perspective, and I think this is one of the things that Dave and I have lamented this one doing chemistry. There's very few labs doing feed chemistry anymore, real feed chemistry. So that's kind of becoming a lost start. We're leaving it up to the commercial labs and the students have no idea what the hell assay was run and why it was run. Yep. The age of statistics
Speaker 17 (34:12):
Because it doesn't follow his tenant of what can you recover? What can you show? What, what did you have left? Right? The back to Curly Lucas, the uniform fractions, the, the concept of nutritional uniformity. This is 98% digestible. This is 0% digestible, and our score of zero is, is informative
Scott Sorrell (35:12):
All right, clay, in, in our big reveal here, what was your number one favorite of the year?
Dr. Clay Zimmerman (35:17):
My number one favorite was actually a series of of real science exchanges that we did at the A D S A meetings back in June and Kansas City. So they, they were all dropped as episode 48 July 19th, 20th, and 21st. One of those episodes was some original biochem research that was presented at the, at the meetings this year. So our guests were were Dr. Turner Schwartz from from Michigan State University. He was a, he's a postdoc in Dr. Barry Bradford's lab Tanya France who's a PhD candidate at Cornell University working in Joe McFadden's lab Usman Arshad a PhD candidate at the University of Florida working in Dr. Jose Santo's lab. And and now Dr. Henry Hildorf who be who orange, his doctorate back in May at the University of Wisconsin Madison under under Dr. Heather White's guidance there. So that was there were a number of we had, we had 11 abstracts related to those to the work at, out of those four labs that were presented at the A D S A meetings this year. And even though, you know, even though REASSURE has been around for over 20 years now, we always learn new, new things about the product and how it works with every study that we do. So some, some pretty fascinating work that was done there.
Scott Sorrell (37:13):
Yeah. And you're to be thank for that clay in large part to the research program that you've designed. So kudos to you. I'll also say that this was also one of my favorite podcasts of the year as well. Just really enjoyed meeting the young people that had done the research and, and undoubtedly they're gonna be some of the future leaders in the industry. So it, it's been great getting to know them. Let's take a real quick listen to, I think we've got Turner Schwartz here teed up. Do you think we know enough yet today that we, we can determine some practical implications or still we need to determine do, do some more research?
Speaker 18 (37:54):
Scott Sorrell (38:19):
There. And then we're gonna come down to my number one pick. I have to say, my favorite episode from 2022 was recorded at this year's World Dairy Expo, yet another in-Person one, and it was an extension of the virtual farm tour that we, we sponsored there at the World Dairy Expo. It featured the Bateman family from Utah. The Bateman Family Virtual Farm tour presentation can be found at the World Dairy Expo website. And we'll put a link to the to that episode in the show notes. The thing that made, you know, this, one of my favorite podcasts is I, I really got to know the entire Bateman family, right? It wasn't just a podcast, it was, it was the whole process of going out to their farm in Utah videotaping the family their farm. We ha we had drones in the air, taking pictures of, of the dairy, but, but just getting to know the entire family really made this a special episode for me.
Scott Sorrell (39:22):
You know, in my opinion, the bait and the family exemplifies everything that's good and wholesome about the dairy way of life, you know, to emphasize the dairy family strong moral fiber, the love of land, and of the livestock that they, they care for. The thing that most impressed me the most was the, the patriarch of the family Wayne Bateman who passed away this last October. And the clip that I've selected is an excerpt from the interview that I did with Wayne when we visited Farm back in July. Folks, this was a must listen podcast would in definitely encourage you to go out and listen to episode number 56 that aired on November 8th, 2022,
Dr. Clay Zimmerman (40:03):
Scott, that, that one really hit home with me as well. I wasn't there for the recording, but I was able to meet the family a few months before that out, out at the dairy. I know we're both from, from large families, and it just really, really hit home to me how close that family is. So, yeah. Yeah, that's a, it's a must listen.
Scott Sorrell (40:32):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 19 (40:34):
And Wayne Bateman, I come home one day to my wife and I said, Danny, I'm quitting school and I'm gonna get a herda cows, and we're gonna dairy in the farm. She about was gonna kill me
Scott Sorrell (42:02):
Well, clay, that's gonna do it for our countdown, and we'll call that the last call as well.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
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Dr. Clay Zimmerman (42:29):
What
Scott Sorrell (42:29):
Are you looking forward to in 2023?
Dr. Clay Zimmerman (42:33):
Well, a few things. So I will say you know, based off of all the, you know, all of the recordings we did at A D S A this year, the, the, the industry's in great hands in the future. There's some tremendous young people coming into the industry. So, you know, I'm looking forward to that to some, some new blood coming into the industry economically, you know, it looks like, looks like we'll have good, you know, prices here for, for milk and milk components. So hoping for that in the coming year as well. So so yeah, I'm, I'm really looking forward to 2023.
Scott Sorrell (43:17):
Yeah, excellent.
Dr. Clay Zimmerman (43:18):
How about you, Scott?
Scott Sorrell (43:20):
Well, from a personal level, you know, at my age, I, I, i, I don't plan too far into the future, right? But you know, I've got my kids coming in for Christmas, so, so I'm looking forward to that. But as far as next year, 2023 from a a professional perspective, I, I really enjoyed the, the in-person episodes that we did Clay, and I'd really like to see if we could do more of that in 2023 and, and even the expand our geographic reach, right maybe into Europe and, and maybe Asia and do some some podcasts there as well. So, putting that on my Christmas wishlist. So we'll see if that comes true. So Clay you know, as we close up here, I wanna thank you for being a big part of the Real Science Exchange this year. Your, your humor and your candor, your friendship has helped make this podcast a success.
Scott Sorrell (44:07):
So I want to thank you for that. And thank you to all of our loyal listeners who have joined us throughout 2022. We appreciate you spending a little time with us every couple weeks here, and hopefully you've learned something along the way. We're very excited about 2023 and would love to hear your recommendations for topics and guests. Leave your comments on your favorite podcast platform or send us an email with your ideas to anh.marketing val chem.com. As a reminder, our Real Science lecture series continues with monthly topics for both the ruminant and monogastric audiences, as well as quarterly webinar for companion animals. To register for upcoming events or to view past topics, visit ba.com/real science. Thank you again for joining us around the table in 2022. We hope you learned something. We hope you had some fun, and we hope to see you next time here at the Real Science Exchange, where it's always happy hour and you're always among friends. Cheers, Clay. Merry Christmas.
Speaker 20 (45:15):
Merry Christmas.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
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